But will we want to stay?
Tamara Micner
On the day of the EU referendum, a British Remain campaigner told me: ‘I’m very glad you’re here.’ I know she meant well, but her words felt exclusionary as well as inclusive – I may be welcome, but I’m still foreign.
In recent years there have been increasing restrictions on who can move or settle here from outside the EU – from eliminating the post-study work visa to requiring an annual income of at least £35,000. And the person who oversaw these restrictions as home secretary is now our prime minister.
During the referendum campaign, none of the Remain leaders spoke out in favour of immigration. After the result, even some Labour MPs warned that the party must ‘recognise concerns about immigration’, rather than try to change the way Britons view it. Police saw an increase in reported hate crimes. In the London borough where I live, which overwhelmingly voted Remain, graffiti appeared in a park saying ‘Go Home, Fuck EU.’ (It was painted over after a couple of days.)
A dual Canadian-Polish national, I have lived in the UK for six years, and many of the people I’m close to here are (non-British) Europeans. I’ve had several discussions with other EU nationals about whether or not we may leave, even if we can legally stay long-term, and I recently sent out a survey which around 70 people responded too. Many of us feel less welcome here, and some of us feel less safe. Most of us were surprised by the referendum result, and feel uncertain about whether or not we’ll be able to stay. Even if we are, a lot of us have considered moving out of the UK since the referendum – to other countries in Europe but also to Australia, North America, Asia and the Middle East. (I realise that part of what we're feeling, as a relatively privileged group of people, are surprise and fear that we may lose some of our privileges.)
Here are some of the things people said:
‘The insecurity is awful. The prospect of the economy tanking and giving rise to even more social issues is awful.’
‘The UK is a temporary landing, so if the governments decides to push me out, I’d happily find another place to call home.’
‘It is the first time in the 14 years I have been here that I feel personally targeted (although I did not experience any incidents) and unwanted. I felt anger, sadness and frustration after hearing the results. I feel the voters for Leave did not know what they were really voting for. They were misled by the politicians. The EU has many faults, and it's not a perfect system, but … when you have a broken arm you do not cut it off.’
‘As an Irish citizen, I feel like British friends think we are somehow “different” from other EU nationals. As Ireland is its own country, independent of the UK, it’s quite sad … that British people take us as closer to them than the rest of the EU. That said, Irish people could vote in the referendum, so we do have a “different” status in the UK. This situation makes me feel very conflicted.’
‘The UK would be lucky to be a home to well-educated EU citizens like me, but if I feel unwelcome here, uncertain about my future and think that I may be able to get a more rewarding job elsewhere, it is the UK’s loss not mine if I move.’
‘The results have made me feel strange when interacting with people who were eligible to vote. Most of them feel the need to point out … that they voted to remain and for those who don’t, I wonder whether they might be happy with the result and whether they see me as a second class citizen that shouldn’t have any rights here. I witnessed UK flags put up by residents the day after the results in Cambridge, which surprised me.’
‘I cried the morning I woke up to see the result. I love the UK. I love the culture. I love the people. My son was born here. I have worked and paid my taxes in this country from the day I arrived. I would not have been able to be here had it not been for the EU, just like my British friends in Copenhagen would not be able to live there had it not been for the EU. A lot of art, films, local shops, cinemas, monuments would not exist were it not for the EU. I am not saying it is a perfect system, far from it! But it is something we must solve together. It hurts my heart that the great UK would vote to leave. I do feel less welcome here knowing that so many people don’t want me here. Hundreds of thousands of people died for us to be able to have peace in Europe. We must take power over the peace in Europe, and we can only obtain that power together.’
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Not everyone in the younger generations may feel the sympathy and attachment that I felt for the UK when I was there -- that's their loss. But also, I suspect, the fault of people like you.
I have heard people saying we British have to escape the European Union because it is a burning house and we must escape. For me, if your friend and neighbour's house is burning you help them put it out. Instead by voting for Brexit we have crashed our car through one of the walls of the house in our desperation to escape. For me this is totally despicable behaviour and I am thoroughly ashamed of the behaviour of my country.
However for people who supported Brexit they are not bad people and are sincerely doing what they think is best for the country. However the difference is how they view their place in Europe.
For me I am proud to be British and see my self as part of Europe and inseparable from its success of failure. For people who voted for Brexit they see themselves as British and separate from Europe and as a result see no problem in playing zero sum games.
So Europeans in this country should not see themselves as unwelcome. The discussion in this country is about how the British see themselves.
No, not true. Hundreds of thousands of UK servicemen and women died to prevent the UK being invaded from Europe.
In fact, about 383,000 service personnel from the UK and Commonwealth died in combat theatres, along with about 15 million others on the Allied side (about 9 million of those being Soviet citizens).
We will never know the reasons why those servicemen and service women fought, but to assume their only interest in the war was to 'prevent the UK being invaded' is to belittle their sacrifice and the contribution they made to the defeat of Nazi Germany.
Several members of my family fought (and three died) in combat theatres. The survivors told me to my face why they fought: for King and Country.
To extrapolate to the remainder is surely presumptuous?
Unless every history book is wrong, Britain did stand alone in 1940. The continental countries had either been crushed by the Nazis or were in cahoots with them.
Indian troops only became a significant force for the allies much later - and only then after the British armed, trained and led them.
It doesn't change the fact that in 1940 Britain was the only nation actually fighting the Nazis.
Is that clear now?
In December 1940, forces from the UK, India, and Australia, and Free French troops defeated Italian forces at Sidi Barrani, not technically Nazis, but certainly part of the Axis.
It is true that had Operation Sealion taken place then there would have been little immediate large-scale help coming from anywhere - but it's nothing to do with 2016. (The best-equipped division in the UK in that summer of 1940 was the Canadian division, incidentally).
Greencoat is just indulging himself in nonsensical point-scoring, Check out his/her other responses to see his/her true character. I understand why many who voted to Leave did so (30 years of neoliberal capitalism eviscerating their local economies) - but EU membership is not really relevant in many ways to that. And when we do finally leave - if we do - then we may have to adopt an even harsher form of neoliberalism to survive - in which case those who are already marginalised will be even more marginalised. Such are the ironies of history
During the referendum campaign David Cameron had the nerve to compare his position to that of Churchill in 1940. All I can say is that Churchill, thank God, would never have dreamt of trying to save his political skin by putting such a momentous issue to a referendum (which, indeed, he might well have lost).
My point which I poorly expressed was to counter the 1940-Britain-alone mythologising which regrettably has formed a large part of the post-wary British.
Any attempt to shout 'my nation did more than your nation during WW2" is fundamentally stupid and rather pointless.
Do people really believe WWII would have been won without the contributions of all the Europeans who, within their own countries and often at incredible personal cost to themselves, opposed the nazi invasion? What about the millions of French people involved in the Resistánce, the Italian partisani, the Spanish republican exiles, the Norwegian clandestine opposition, and the very many Germans and Austrians who either fought their own country's government policies in Germany or as exiles elsewhere (e.g. in the US)? Are the British so utterly arrogant as to pretend none of these people contributed a thing to defeating nazi Germany? Have you ever watched the film Casablanca?
More worryingly, what kind of essentially nationalistic planet do you inhabit where all governments speak for all of their citizens all the time without exception? Do you know the meaning of dissent? Do all British governments always speak on behalf of every single British citizen all the time? And if not, if you have no problem understanding why that is just a tremendously stupid thing to think about yourselves, why is it that you find it so incredibly hard to think it about others? In particular, in the glaring example that was WWII? Why are the British sometimes so conceited about their own status as God's gift to the world? You are not God's gift to the world, believe me, in fact we would all be better off if you just leave the EU and leave us alone!
My point is it may have been annoying to watch, but now a result has been achieved that's perhaps best for everyone, not so much economically and as far as prospects for social justice in England and Wales are concerned, but for the Befindlichkeit of a nation that has essentially turned its face to the wall, and doesn't wish to relearn how to be. And why should it? People have a right to leave when they feel they'd only embarrass themselves by staying, and it's natural that they should bluster a bit on the way out.
Will it all work out ok in the end? Who knows. Come back in 10 years and we'll let you know is the best line I've heard in conversation with a prominent UK economist.
best wishes Cyber
The UK these days is a medium sized nation that should be focused on the prosperity of its citizens and playing a positive role in the world. Instead i fear that we are on course for one of our periodic encounters where our outsized opinion of our selves and national mythologies will clash with our modest size in the world. If it leads us to be more realistic and treat or friends in Europe with more humility then in the long term all will be good.
I am British and my wife is French - we spent our working lives in England and left permanently five years ago. My wife was always experiencing Francophobia in one form or another, for nearly 30 years. If one objected: it's just friendly humour. Very friendly: dirty toilets, eating frogs or foie gras,adopting silly French accents, don't wash like the Brits, unfriendly, and of course, rescued twice by good old GB, surrender monkeys.
My wife is happy to be back in the country she left aged 22. If we had still been in England, we would have immediately made the decision to leave we made earlier, and for similar reasons. We look at what is going on in the UK, particularly England with incredulity, but are not really surprised. And now xenophobia and racism have been licensed by Brexit's leaders. Yes, probably it is time to leave for many 'foreigners' living in the UK.
- The comments re: WWII were and are really odd I thought, it felt like the LRB had suddenly uncovered its readers inner Daily Mail / Express.
- Given that Theresa Mays comments re: EU citizens in the UK heavily implies that EU citizens living in the UK are now nothing more than bargaining chips in Brexit negotiations, for this reason alone, of course EU citizens should wonder whether to stay or not.
- But the real question, is why will anyone want to stay, be they EU, UK, or Martian? Given the combination of BREXIT, likely Scottish departure from the UK, and likely one-party Tory statehood once parliamentary boundaries are re-written, the UK (what's left of it) will to all intents and purposes become a rather tatty, sad and left-behind retail park for most people, where everything is available for a price but in all reality out of most peoples reach - health, education (all ages), law, property. So unless you're very rich, why stay - if of course you can actually leave? And if you are very rich, they'll be more pleasant places to be.
One final comment for EU citizens used to metric measurements: might be worthwhile understanding pounds and ounces ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/29/ministers-should-let-traders-sell-groceries-in-pounds-and-ounces/. No doubt a return to more blatant racism, sexism, worse quality food, conscription and other nostalgic rubbish is also on the cards.
All of this is of course supposing that the EU itself doesn't implode e.g. if GREXIT occurs, or Len Pen or Five Start don't assume power in France and Italy and also leave the EU, or if the Euro doesn't collapse. In which case, the UK might seem a decent temporary respite, before fleeing to the US / Canada / Aus / New Zealand / Mars.